湖人新赛季的操作让人看不懂，这是他们韬光养晦的间隔年？-美国JRs之声如果詹姆斯选择留守骑士，而骑士休赛期的“大手笔”就是签下隆多、麦基、?

湖人新赛季的操作让人看不懂，这是他们韬光养晦的间隔年？-美国JRs之声
如果詹姆斯选择留守骑士，而骑士休赛期的“大手笔”就是签下隆多、麦基、史蒂芬森和比斯利，不知道他们会被嘲笑成什么样……我们对名宿魔术师的双重标准确实令人困惑。
Imagine the laughs if LeBron had returned to Cleveland and Rondo, McGee, Stephenson, and Beasley were their big off-season signings. The double standard we give a legend like Magic is baffling

The only deal I dislike is Stephenson, but when ESPN puts out an article claiming that the Lakers masterplan is to avoid surrounding LeBron with shooters because that's what his previous failed teams have done (and completely ignoring the fact that his 2016 title came with a ton of good shooters on the roster), and this sub responds by parroting that sentiment repeatedly on every thread and praising that absurdly stupid article, its pretty striking.
这些签约里面我唯一不喜欢的就是史蒂芬森，不过自从ESPN发了一篇文章称湖人的计划就是避免为詹姆斯配备过多的投手，因为这就是詹姆斯的老东家骑士失败的原因（完全忽略了2016年夺冠的骑士拥有一群投手），话题区风气就变了，每个帖子下面的回复完全就是对这篇文章观点的附和，以及对这篇愚蠢文章的称赞。这种舆论态势十分明显。
The reality: Lakers surveyed the market and didn't see any good shooters worth pursuing as a signing at the time (which is the same think OKC did) so they signed some players to affordable short deals knowing they could run it back in a year and try to sign better players. This sub AND espn is so eager to push the "Cavs/GM lebron didn't know what they were doing in Cleveland" narrative that we act like anything different than what the Cavs did is some kind of visionary purpose.
而现实是：湖人环顾自由球员市场，并没有发现值得签下的优秀投手（雷霆也遇到了这种情况），所以只能签一些便宜的短约，管理层心里明白，只有这样才能在一年之后强势反弹，签下更优秀的球员。话题区和ESPN巴不得每天都把骑士轮一遍，好像（上赛季）“骑士队员、管理层以及詹姆斯都没干什么靠谱的事”一样，现在已经轮到了只要（湖人）做的事和骑士不一样，我们都会称湖人为深谋远虑。
The Lakers are just intentionally in a holding pattern on purpose after PG didn't sign, which is the same reason they didn't go after Cousins for a one-year deal. They'll make the playoffs this year (probably as a 3-5 seed) if LeBron is healthy and then go after the best free agents and improve the next year.
追求乔治失败后，湖人有意地进入一种韬光养晦的状态，没有给考辛斯提供一年报价也是出于同种原因。只要詹姆斯保持健康，新赛季湖人进季后赛问题不大（可能是西部第三~第五），到了明年，湖人就能放开手脚追求自由市场上最大牌的球员了。
[–]CelticsThe_Real_Neffew 1368指標12小時前
This is a gap year
今年是湖人的gap year。[译注1]
[译注1]Gap Year意为间隔年、空档年炒股手机 ，是西方社会通过近代世界青年旅行方式变迁总结出来的概念。大概意思是西方国家的青年在升学或者毕业之后工作之前（近几年越来越多21到23岁、已经获得学位的年轻人也开始给自己一个空档年）做一次长期的旅行（通常是一年），让学生在步入社会之前体验与自己生活的社会环境不同的生活方式。
[–]guccikatana 1010指標11小時前
A gap year... leading into Lebron's age 35 season.
They ain't got that kind of time.
等过了这个间隔年，詹姆斯都35岁了。
湖人的时间可没那么充裕。
[–][GSW] James Michael McAdooTyre77 292指標11小時前
But at this point, what would you have them do? They didn't get PG and Kawhi's asking price was too high (mortgaging their future for a team that would be Lebron + Kawhi + the remaining unexperienced young players.)
勇士球迷：但是现在你还能指望湖人做些什么大力神在纽约 ？乔治没来，马刺对伦纳德要价又太高（梭哈球队的未来，只为组建一支詹姆斯+伦纳德+一群没有经验的年轻球员的阵容）。
Going into "win now" mode with just Lebron would have the same end-of-season result (no ring) but probably be worse for the players' development.
如果湖人进入“赢在当下”的模式，仅靠詹姆斯一人的结果还是（和骑士）一样（争冠失败），而且对年轻球员的发展也会是一个灾难。
[–]NuggetsLew_AIcindor 211指標11小時前
I guess the question becomes, does LeBron see a path to contention on L.A. even once he begins to decline? I would say yes, otherwise I doubt he would have signed there.
I'd also assume that even beyond Leonard, the Lakers have some kind of plan for FA next season and LeBron is fairly confident in it.
我觉得问题的关键在于，一旦詹姆斯开始下滑，他在湖人还能看到争冠机会吗？我觉得有，不然他为啥要签湖人？
我同样认为，湖人为明年休赛期的自由市场操作设定了一些计划，并不只限于伦纳德，而且詹姆斯对此信心十足。
[–]Bullsfriendzonedef 310指標10小時前*
does LeBron see a path to contention on L.A.
“他在湖人还能看到争冠机会吗？”
People are just forgetting that lebron has a kid who want to play HS Ball in LA. Or business savvy lebron is looking ahead for a producer career in hollywood. not every decision lebron will make is about basketball and winning rings especially if he has 3 rings already. one of those rings was in a historic comeback in the finals.
人们都忘了，詹姆斯有个想在洛杉矶的高中打球的儿子啊。另外在商业方面，詹姆斯也希望未来在好莱坞能开辟制作人生涯。詹姆斯做出的每一个决定不一定都得是关于篮球、关于夺冠的，毕竟他已经有三枚冠军戒指在手，其中一枚还是历史级的大逆转。
sure lakers have that one year plan, but i bet lebron's camp are not that dumb to realize that at 34, lebron is more prone for a decline inducing injury. nobody saw kobe's injury that led to his decline. la move is not all about rings.
是，湖人这一年可能确实要韬光养晦明年重振旗鼓，但34岁的詹姆斯更有可能受到能让他出现巨大下滑的伤病侵袭，我觉得詹姆斯的团队不至于没意识到这点吧？导致科比下滑的伤病没有人预见得到。
詹姆斯去湖人不完全是冲着夺冠去的。
[–][NBA] LeBron JamesDaveCerqueira 108指標10小時前
If you follow lebron around then you know this move wasnt for the rings at all. Idk but i never got the impression that he meant to build a super team here, unless pg or leonard were a lock, which they werent. The fact that he was the first to sign with no signs of improving the rest of the team to me showed that he was making a family/bussiness decision.
如果你一直关注詹姆斯，你就知道他签约湖人压根就不是为了争冠。我不清楚实情，但我从来没觉得詹姆斯打算在湖人打造一支超级球队，除非乔治和伦纳德都已在阵中，然而事实上并没有。詹姆斯第一个签约，而且湖人没有后续实质性的补强，这样的事实对我而言，就意味着詹姆斯是出于家庭/商业因素做出的决定。
[–]CavaliersKnightThatSaysNi 5904指標12小時前
I haven't seen many people at all confident in the Lakers this year. It seems the consensus is "this is weird as shit,谢思潇 it might not work but it will be fun to see if it does"
骑士球迷：我还没看到多少对湖人下赛季夺冠充满信心的人。大家的共识是：湖人这阵容怪异至极，估计没什么搞头，但看看他们能搞出什么花样来还是很有意思的。
A lot of people have also been talking about the 1yr deals being an obvious way to put them into a position to be competitive in next year's impressive free agent market.
I don't see the point of this post.
很多人都说湖人签这么多一年合同，很明显是要在明年休赛期的自由球员争夺战中占据有利位置。
我不是很懂这个帖争论的焦点在哪。
[–]SunsSprintPrag 157指標11小時前
Yea the majority of the top level posts are about this team's meme potential, not on-court potential. Maybe OP is referring just to the main stream media?
没错，大部分热帖都在讨论这支湖人队造梗的潜力，而不是场上的表现潜力。或许楼主只是在阐述主流媒体的观点？
[–]CelticsNdbdncofowpeh 830指標11小時前*
Very weird. I’m not even sure what would constitute a successful season for this team.
Making the WCF? Being competitive in the second round?
*Why do people think they’re definitely going to see the Warriors in the playoffs?
凯尔特人球迷：这阵容太奇怪了。对于这支湖人队，我不知道取得怎样的成绩才算是成功。
进西决？第二轮打得胶着女娲遗骨 ？
另外，为什么这么多人觉得他们会在季后赛碰到勇士？
[–]eatyovegetablessssss 740指標11小時前
Whatever round they meet the warriors in, if they take them more than 5, that’s a success imo
不管湖人在第几轮碰到勇士，我觉得能打五场以上就算成功了。
[–]Lakerskarl_hungas 284指標11小時前
This is correct.
湖人球迷：说得对。
[–]NBAzxc123zxc123 203指標7小時前*
I think the Lakers have a lot of general goals including, but not limited to:
Acclimating LBJ with LA/LAL and vice versa
Using veteran exp (LBJ/Rondo) to boost youth growth
Build team chemistry
Rebuild culture of winning
我认为湖人队新赛季的目标包括但不仅限于：
让詹姆斯和洛杉矶/湖人彼此熟络起来；
利用詹姆斯、隆多丰富的经验帮助年轻球员成长；
形成球队的化学反应；
重塑赢球文化；
Weed out which 1 year "veteran" Lance/Rondo/McGee/Beasley to keep (if any)
See which "young Laker" to invest in Hart/Ball/Ingram/Kuzma while developing them. All of them will be developed, but not all must be kept.
See if Walton is the coach for the job.
Find a real "death line up". I杨龙忠 , for one, don't buy that anonymous LAL exec's optimism of just throwing Kuz/Ball/LBJ/Hart/Ingram together and instantly getting gold(en state). For all we know it could be Rondo or Lance in there instead that gets the best results.
在签了一年合同的老将（史蒂芬森、隆多、麦基、比斯利）中筛选出值得续约的球员；
在锻炼年轻球员的同时，观察哪位年轻球员（哈特、鲍尔、英格拉姆、库兹马）值得重点培养。所有人都要得到锻炼，但不是每个人都必须留队；
考察沃顿能否胜任湖人帅位；
寻找真正的“死亡阵容”。我个人并不买那一位湖人匿名高管的账——他很乐观，表示只要把库兹马、鲍尔、詹姆斯、哈特以及英格拉姆摆在场上，就能立刻见效，扳倒勇士。但是，湖人最强的五人阵容也有可能上隆多或者史蒂芬森啊。
Or LAL can end up with no "death" lineup but 2 great lineups of LBJ with veterans playing tough old man game and then LBJ with all rookies at fast pace. Maybe there's a great lineup that goes to "death" once LAL gets another star next FA? That's what GSW did. TL;DR: No one knows until they test to see.
湖人也许排不出一个“死亡阵容”，但可以为詹姆斯排出两个不错的轮换阵容，一个是一群球风硬气的老将，另一个是一群快节奏的年轻球员。或许到明年自由市场开启，湖人得到另一位巨星，才能排出“死亡阵容”也有可能呢？总结一下：在他们上场接受检验之前，没人知道会怎样。
Sign or develop a 3 point specialist or 3&D guy. Eventually one or more 3 point threats will be needed.
Find someone to take that Deng contract.
Do as well as possible for 1 year and reassess what is needed.
Land at least 1 BIG name in free agency and possibly some good smaller ones.
签下或者培养一名优秀的三分投手或者3D球员。球队终究需要一个或更多的三分球威胁点；
找一个冤大头接盘罗尔-邓；
尽可能打好这一个赛季，并对球队未来的需求进行再评估；
明年休赛季拿下至少一名巨星，可以拿下多名普通球星也可以。
It's just so many things to do. That's probably why even a franchise like that Lakers aren't pushing into a "championship or bust now" mentality.
湖人要做的工作还有很多。即使拥有如此辉煌的历史，湖人也并没有进入“夺不了冠就是失败”的状态，也许这就是原因吧。
[–]Pontus_Pilates 386指標11小時前
I thought everybody found these signings comical.
我还以为每个人都把湖人这些签约当笑话看呢。
[–]Pelicanserldn123 135指標12小時前
Yeah it would be 100% coverage of "Dan Gilbert doesn't know basketball" if the Cavs made identical moves.
如果这些签约是骑士操作的，新闻报道的内容100%都是“丹-吉尔伯特不懂球”。
[–][LAL] Elgin BaylorWordsAreSomething 144指標12小時前
Yeah because their needs are different. The Cavs are a team full of old vets. If they signed the guys the Lakers signed it doesn't change their team much. The Lakers before the signings were toddlers and LeBron.
湖人球迷：没错能源走私商 ，这是因为湖人和骑士的需求不一样。骑士阵容里几乎全是老将。如果是骑士签下了湖人签下的这些球员，骑士不会发生多大的改变。而在这些签约之前，湖人除了詹姆斯就剩一群小屁孩儿了。
[–]odinlubumeta 589指標11小時前
Ugh. The difference is most of the signings play minor roles. Heavy minutes players are Zo, KCP, Ingram, Kuzma石无忌, Lebron, Hart, Rondo. Only one of them is a player you mentioned. People keep acting like the player signed are there starting 5 and that the core is playing only a few minutes off the bench. That’s what is baffling.
这个……区别在于，湖人签的这些球员都不会担任重要的角色。有充分的上场时间的球员就是鲍尔、波普、英格拉姆、库兹马、詹姆斯、哈特和隆多。只有隆多是楼主你所提及的。人们总是把湖人签的这几个球员看得和首发球员一样重要，事实上这些球员只会在板凳上得到少量的出场时间。这才是令人困惑的地方。
[–]DirtySmiter 270指標10小時前
Exactly, there's a post on the front page implying our lineup is: Rondo, Lance, Lebron, Beasley, Javale. In reality it's more like: Zo, KCP, Ingram, Lebron, Javale (or Kuz with Lebron at small ball 5). Counter to OP's scenario, imagine if Cavs got Ingram, Zo and Kuz. They'd be applauding their FO. /r/nba acting like 1 year backup vets on minimal contracts are for sure starting.
湖人球迷：说得对，论坛首页有个帖子认为我们的首发五人会是隆多+史蒂芬森+詹姆斯+比斯利+麦基。而实际上更可能是鲍尔+波普+英格拉姆+詹姆斯+麦基（也有可能是库兹马，詹姆斯扮演小球阵容的五号位）妖街皇后。按楼主说的情形，想像一下，如果骑士得到英格拉姆、鲍尔和库兹马，那骑士管理层会被吹上天。论坛里真的把这些签一年合同的候补老将当作首发球员了。
[–]RaptorsCharwinger21 104指標10小時前
LeBron is a small ball 4 (with Love/Bosh as a small ball 5).
Put him as a small ball 5, and he's going to be exhausted from banging against Cousins/Drummond/Valanciunas/Embiid/KAT/Adams/Whiteside/Jokic.
詹姆斯应该是小球阵容的四号位（和他搭档过的小球阵容五号位有乐福和波什）
面对考辛斯、德拉蒙德、瓦兰丘纳斯、恩比德、唐斯、亚当斯、怀特塞德和约基奇这样的内线，要是让詹姆斯打五号位绝命调查，他会累垮的。
[–]junkit33 597指標12小時前
The Lakers were clearly banking on either George or Kawhi and struck out on both. There wasn’t a lot of moves left, and in many ways this is the right thing. Let the young guys grow and develop with Lebron. The team now has a punchers chance in the playoffs with Rondo, Lebron, and whatever the young players have turned into.
很明显湖人当时是在押宝乔治和伦纳德松原夏海 ，结果湖人不仅错过了乔治还错过了伦纳德。剩下的操作空间就不大了，在许多方面来说，湖人这些签约是正确的决定，可以让这群年轻球员跟着詹姆斯涨球。拥有隆多、詹姆斯，无论这些年轻球员进化成什么样，湖人在季后赛还是有不小的机会。
And that’s as good as they could have hoped for once PG and Kawhi were not happening. There was no team left to seriously contend against Warriors.
Magic will keep his ear to the ground on any big names at the deadline, and if nothing, they’ll go hard after whomever opens up next offseason.
I don’t think this was really ever a one year plan with the Warriors in the way.
乔治和伦纳德不来，这是湖人能做到的最好的情况了。严格来说，目前没有能和勇士抗衡的球队。
在交易截止日之前，魔术师仍会时刻盯紧大牌球员，今年不行，明年再继续疯狂追求。
有勇士这个拦路虎，我认为湖人的复兴从来也不是准备靠这个“一年计划”完成的。
[–]LakersDarthHM 111指標11小時前
I don’t know if the Spurs asking for half the team, the next 20 years of draft picks, Staples Center, and Disneyland for Kawhi and the Lakers declining counts as striking out.
More like shutting out.
湖人球迷：马刺向我们要了半支球队、未来20年的选秀权、斯台普斯中心还有迪士尼乐园，这能算我湖错过伦纳德吗？
更像是被马刺完全拒之门外连错过的机会都没有吧。
[–]RocketsAZRockets 239指標11小時前
Kind of weird to get a soon to be 34 year old LeBron so you can plan for the future.
签下马上就满34岁的詹姆斯为未来作打算是有点奇怪啊……
[–]Lakersrburp 178指標11小時前
tbf I get the feeling we'll see a whole new level of LeCoast we'd never thought possible before, and just the fact that we likely don't go to the Finals means he's going to put so much less mileage on his body this season.
湖人球迷：说实话马跃案，我有一种预感，我们会看到前所未见的划水詹。我们很大可能进不了总决赛，这也意味着这个赛季詹姆斯不会过度消耗自己的身体。
And, on top of that, one of the hallmarks of Luke as a coach is how well he distributes and balances minutes. I think a lot of Lakers fans are going to be mad when he benches LeBron when he's hot a couple of times, but he'll do it because he wants to develop all the young guys still, and he will want to keep LeBron as healthy as possible.
而且爽子砍人 ，沃顿作为一个教练的最大优点之一就是对出场时间的分配和平衡。詹姆斯如果在手感火热的情况下被沃顿换下去喷嚏大魔怪，用不了多少次，湖人球迷就得抓狂了。但是沃顿依然会这么做，因为他得继续锻炼这群年轻球员，还得保证詹姆斯的健康。

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